Well, to be honest, this was one of my fears about funding The Great Kingdom.
If you try to find the project on Kickstarter...ya know, just to see how things are going..you'll get this message. You can send a message to the project creator, but given the situation, I'm not even sure how they can respond.
Because this apparently just happened. And according to that court document - go on, read it, it's pretty interesting:
"IT IS ORDERED that Defendants (the producers of The Great Kingdom) are hereby enjoined from having any contact , for any purpose, with any of the parties or persons who were previously involved in the D&D Production film and from in any manner advertising the film The Great Kingdom or making efforts to solicit funding for such film or any film on the subject of Dungeons and Dragons pending further order of this court."
I'll preface the rest of this by pointing out I am not a lawyer...so take the rest with a boulder of salt. The threshold to allow for this kind of order is not overwhelmingly difficult. Like most things in the court system, in this preliminary stage you just kind of have to show that there is even a possibility that something the defendant did might cause harm to the plaintiff. But if the accusations in that order are born out..well, what an ugly situation.
I do so hope that Kickstarter funds are not now going to be used to defend against this court action.
You can commence with berating and condescending pointing of digits in my general direction. I told you so's will have to wait a bit...
NOTE: Hat Tip to Zachary Houghton for the news.
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Wednesday, August 6, 2014
Wednesday, July 16, 2014
The Great Kingdom: I Give In
I won't bury the headline. After much consternation, I've decided to give to the Kickstarter for The Great Kingdom. It was not an easy decision. I've tried for a few weeks to get answers to various questions and I still feel like I'm left wanting. But in the end, I want to see both movies get made. So I'll dig into what little money I have and see what pittance I can provide.
And even though I do so with a twinge of...regret isn't the right word...dissatisfaction? Nope, that's not right either. I guess I'm still searching and it appears the only way I'll get the answer I'm truly looking for will be to get this thing funded and completed. So I suggest all twelve of you who read this go and given them a buck or two and get it over the finish line. It's late in the process, and as I write this they are just over half funded. Let's see if we can get it over the finish line successfully.
What do I think will help, other than an all out media blitz? Differentiation. What do I mean by that? Well, it is the answer I've been looking for from the beginning I suppose. Tell me...hell, tell everyone, how this movie is so different. The Q&A linked to in the comments of the previous post was a good start...but it's just a start and it was 8 days before the end of the Kickstarter. More! Use your updates on Facebook, Kickstarter, etc. to tell us more about this incredible story at which you keep hinting. Do it now!
Those not directly invovled in the production may want to get this thing spread outside the normal geek channels. For example, I'm going to talk to my brother about giving some money and spreading the word in his circles. He's a geek as well, but not a gamer. So the rest of you need to think of people that might be interested and get them involved.
Reticence? Yeah...maybe that's the word...
Why are you still here reading? Go. Now. Do.
And even though I do so with a twinge of...regret isn't the right word...dissatisfaction? Nope, that's not right either. I guess I'm still searching and it appears the only way I'll get the answer I'm truly looking for will be to get this thing funded and completed. So I suggest all twelve of you who read this go and given them a buck or two and get it over the finish line. It's late in the process, and as I write this they are just over half funded. Let's see if we can get it over the finish line successfully.
What do I think will help, other than an all out media blitz? Differentiation. What do I mean by that? Well, it is the answer I've been looking for from the beginning I suppose. Tell me...hell, tell everyone, how this movie is so different. The Q&A linked to in the comments of the previous post was a good start...but it's just a start and it was 8 days before the end of the Kickstarter. More! Use your updates on Facebook, Kickstarter, etc. to tell us more about this incredible story at which you keep hinting. Do it now!
Those not directly invovled in the production may want to get this thing spread outside the normal geek channels. For example, I'm going to talk to my brother about giving some money and spreading the word in his circles. He's a geek as well, but not a gamer. So the rest of you need to think of people that might be interested and get them involved.
Reticence? Yeah...maybe that's the word...
Why are you still here reading? Go. Now. Do.
Sunday, July 13, 2014
D&D: A Documentary versus The Great Kingdom: Update 2
I’ve had some further communications on the subject. Nothing
serious or earth shattering by any means (wow…talk about reeling in the
readers, eh?), but a few items I feel I can pass on.
First, I’ve been assured there is no animosity even though
I’ve been asking a few, how shall we say, uncomfortable, questions. That is a
relief, and I’m not being sarcastic about that. One thing I did not want to do
was make people upset; I’m just looking for some answers…and a hard copy of the
new movie.
Second, I’m afraid we’re not going to get many answers
because it is clear by both the complaint and the emails that this is really
going to be a lawyers’ battle. Nobody wants to make any claims or say anything
because now IT MATTERS.
Third, I’m not adding anything to the completion of either
movie. And while that stings a bit, it is true. I’m just an onlooker and the
distraction keeps the point of all of this from getting done. This is not to
say we can’t or shouldn’t continue to ask questions; however, given point two –
that this is now a bona fide legal fight – it’s unlikely we’ll get much but
platitudes and obfuscations.
UPDATE:
It appears this thing got some more legs soon after I wrote
the first blog post – again “coincidences” heh. First, there was this article in the examiner. Now the inestimable Tenkar’s Tavern has posted about it.
On top of that, one of the folks I’ve known for years online
has apparently decided to throw his support behind The Great Kingdom – and looks
like he’s been prepped to talk about it.
Now comes the part where this fight that started between
three people making a documentary about D&D breaks bad all over the
Internet.
Sunday, June 29, 2014
D&D: A Documentary versus The Great Kingdom: Update
I’m truly beginning
to wonder if I stirred up a hornets’ nest. I’m not some ego maniac like some
RPG folks who thinks anyone really reads this blog. I wouldn’t expect it
because I barely blog. But coincidences are happening.
Before I get
started, I want to thank Andrew Pascal, one of the producers of The Great Game,
and former producer of D&D: A Documentary. With this blog, I really was
making an offhand comment about the oddity of the situation and how something
had been gnawing at me for a while, and he was kind enough to respond.
On with the show…
In my email to
Andrew, I proposed what I figured was the reason for the situation:
“My guess is that
in the process of doing the groundwork of interviewing all of those people,
some of them several times or follow-ups or whatever, a story started to
emerge. And not just the story of how D&D came about (Mr. Peterson's tome
does that in spades), but a more personal tale of the men involved and the rise
and fall of..well...an idea, I suppose. And that story was far more gripping
and appealing and exciting for you to tell than simply a kind of record of What
Happened.”
Mr. Pascal
responded with broad confirmation. It was creative direction that led to the
separation, driven by a desire to tell the story of the creators more than an
overall history of The Game. It should also be noted that he expressed that
what to do for folks like me who gave to the Kickstarter for D&D: A
Documentary has remained foremost in their minds.
So while it didn't explore much detail of the need for separation, nor did it offer for anything more than the digital
download, I did get a response.
Now the
coincidence. Within 5 days of the previous blog post, I received a Kickstarter
update from the D&D: A Documentary project. It’s not unheard of, I mean, we
got updates in January (26th), April (18th), May (22nd), and June (6th) - four
so far in the almost 6 full months of 2014. But now we got two in one month…and
this one was titled “An important update” and includes a bit more detailed discussion
of this very topic (as well as a possible short preview at GenCon)!
Either way (coincidence or new readers), one of the things
most interesting about this update is that it included a reference to the complaint filed in New York involving these two films (or more accurately, the producers
of the films) – as JRT references in the comments of the previous post. Now I suspect I know why very little details is being provided..."I can't comment while legal action is pending."
Read it...it's very, very interesting and appears to be a kind of legal representation of what I was feeling. That is – it basically alleges that the producers who left D&D: A Documentary continued to use the “assets” of that project to kick start…yeah, I said it…the new project, The Great Kingdom.
Read it...it's very, very interesting and appears to be a kind of legal representation of what I was feeling. That is – it basically alleges that the producers who left D&D: A Documentary continued to use the “assets” of that project to kick start…yeah, I said it…the new project, The Great Kingdom.
Now, let us return to the reasons for the creative
differences – a desire to tell a different story. From that legal document, here’s
the original subject of D&D: A Documentary, as submitted to the United
States Copyright Office for preregistration:
“An analytical look at Dungeons & Dragons, a
role-playing game created by Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson (TSR), its history, effects
and appeal. Subjects will include (but not limited to): - Early history of Gary
Gygax, Dave Arneson, et al - Creation of TSR - Legal battles between Gary and
Dave - Legal battles between Gary and TSR - The influence of the role-playing
and D&D on modern gaming and culture. - Interviews with celebrities, historians
and cultural experts on their experience of D&D.”
That’s a really broad scope. It leaves a lot of room to turn
and tack as information is gathered. Now at some point there was a desire to
break out of this constraint to make a different movie. What kind? Well, here’s
the United States Copyright Office preregistration for The Great Kingdom:
“The Great Kingdom is the story of families, blood and
personal bond, affected by the success of the game, a game that brought joy to
millions but heartbreak to its creators. In 1969, Gary Gygax, a family man and
game designer with an entrepreneurial mind meets Dave Arneson, another
brilliant game designer from Minneapolis/St. Paul. Their collaboration over the
next few years would change the gaming world and themselves. This is the story of
the people behind the creation of the epic role-playing game, Dungeons &
Dragons. The history of how Dungeons & Dragons was created has been told in
many forms. The Great Kingdom will look to explore the personalities behind the
game and the families and gaming groups they engendered. From humble
beginnings, in the heart of America, a brand new game was created. A game that would
have far-reaching effects and would lay down the foundation for the for
modern-day RPG video games. What happens to these individuals as they whether
through the success, the betrayals, the excess, the downfalls and eventual
redemptions all happens within The Great Kingdom."
Now, like I said in the first post and in my email to
Andrew, I can see where something like this might happen. Start out making one
film to tell story X and then, in compiling the research and doing the legwork,
realize that you really want to tell story Y.
But here’s where things get dicey for me (look, more gaming
puns!). There’s a way to do this. You finish the one you started…then you go
and make your other movie. I mean, it seems different enough, right? You’re not
going to lose anything by finishing the one you started, right? Unless…
What could you lose?
First and foremost in my mind is attention…that’s what you
could lose; attention from the people you need to interview, attention from people
who will want to see it, attention from people who you might need to help fund
it with something like a Kickstarter project to, say, finish the film. How would
you do that if there’s a slightly-different-but-not-different-enough film already
out there – one in which you were a principle player?
So I think when this wasn’t going in the “new” direction the
producers of The Great Game wanted (or didn’t focus creatively in the areas
they desired), they knew they had to strike while they could. They had to in
order to keep interest in all of those various camps alive and working for them - because a second film coming out at a later date without enough to distinguish
it from the first film would be a death knell.
I have a terrible feeling that Andrew is not going to be as
nice to me as he was the last time we ran into each other. I hope it does not prove true. It would be a shame.
I don’t know him well enough to hold any animosity towards him, or James
Sprattley for that matter. They’ve always seemed like nice enough folks when I’ve
run into them in the past. I hope the fact that I don’t think they handled this
very well doesn’t burn that bridge.
Besides, I'm still open to both sides of this little tempest in a teapot. I'd love to hear Mr. Savini's (of Westpaw films) perspective as well or some further details from The Great Game producers as to why this was really the right way to handle this situation...
Besides, I'm still open to both sides of this little tempest in a teapot. I'd love to hear Mr. Savini's (of Westpaw films) perspective as well or some further details from The Great Game producers as to why this was really the right way to handle this situation...
Sunday, June 22, 2014
D&D: A Documentary versus The Great Kingdom
So..
At GaryCon a few years ago, I noticed some gentlemen trying
to get in the front door, struggling with a bunch of what looked to be video
equipment. Being a smoker at the time
and, thus, being out front taking a break, I set down my cigarette and tried to
help by holding a door open and ushering the luggage cart through. In the
process, I queried them as to the purpose of the video equipment. This was my
first introduction to D&D: A Documentary.
I spoke with the young men a few times in passing over the
next few days; nothing serious, ust asking how there endeavors were going,
learning how tough it was at the convention to get a quiet spot and time to
interview the old guard. I still have the business card they handed me that
day. I bought in on the spot. OK, not
literally, but figuratively. I did, later, contribute money through
kickstarter.
I watched the kickstarter updates without much excitement,
to be honest. I had already received my copy of Playing at the World and read
it cover to cover a while ago. I was content to simply wait for the finished
product so I could see it, finally.
Then, a short time ago, I started to see things pop up on
Facebook, Google +, and even at GaryCon, about The Great Kingkdom. “Hmmm,” I
thought to myself, “two D&D movies. That’s interesting. Maybe these The Great
Kingdom guys should talk to the D&D: A Documentary guys.” Only, they had…because
they are the same guys. Well, apparently all but one.
You see, the gentleman for whom I first held the door at
GaryCon, lo those many years ago, along with one or two of the other producers
of D&D: A Documentary have apparently left that production to instead take
up The Great Kingdom production…new Kickstarter and all.
So this is the D&D: A Documentary update on received in April of this year:
“In January of this year it became clear that a competing film
is being made by a production company owned by the executive producers of this
film. This was a surprise to everyone and it raised questions and confusion.”
Yeah…it sure did raise questions.
OK…so this is probably a good time to clear something up. I
know the risks in kickstarters. I understand that I was not really buying
anything (although, as I said, I did get the book…and it’s awesome, IMHO); I
understand that the folks involved could have just taken the money and walked
away. This is not a complaint about anything like that. In fact, I’m not all
that upset. And yet, something is kinda eating at me.
Here’s the way the" Risks and challenges" section of the kickstarter of The Great
Kingdom starts:
"Some of you may know James and myself from a different
D&D documentary project that was started on Kickstarter a couple of years
ago. As projects like this go and part of the nature of filmmaking, there were
creative differences that opened our eyes to another perspective of the story
and ultimately led to our new direction and separation from the previous
project."
OK…so there were “creative differences”. I get it. I’m not
cold-hearted. But here’s how that same section continues:
“So, to those who helped support the previous documentary,
James and I would like to offer a digital, downloadable copy of THE GREAT
KINGDOM for FREE. It's our small way of thanking you for your support and
patience. All you need to do is email us and there will be a copy waiting for
you when the film is done.”
Wait. Maybe this is what is bothering me. I’m not kidding
that I’m realizing this as I’m writing it…this is not snark, this is honesty. I
want more.
Even though it is spelled out that financially The Great Kingdom “started
from scratch”, why I do feel like I helped them because of all of the
connections and open doors and interviews and, possibly, stories they got from D&D:
A Documentary work? Heavens, I have to kind of believe given the amount and
kind of information I’ve seen to this point that The Great Kingdom really only
exists as a concept because of what they learned on a project I helped fund
that they walked away from!
Here’s my list of demands ( :) )
1) I want a physical
copy, dammit. Come on man…just make a DVD and ship it to me. I know it can’t
cost that much. Hell, I might even give you the cost of production once it’s
done.
2) I want the real scoop. That’s right, come clean with the
dirty little story. Yeah, I know there’s probably legal action. Tough…tell me
what happened.
There…that’s it. Easy.
BTW…I owe a write-up of GaryCon VI. Maybe by GenCon!
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